INTERVIEW WITH HENRIK PALMGREN
ON RED ICE RADIO
WITH ALAN WATT AS GUEST
October 22, 2006
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Henrik: Welcome to Red Ice Radio Sundays. I'm your host, Henrik Palmgren. I'm coming to you from the West Coast of Sweden. If you are a regular listener, a newcomer to the show or if you came across this program somewhere out there on the web, I hope you all check out our websites for much more interviews, our news and more information. It's red-ice.net and also redicecreations.com. A big thanks to Webster Tarpley for being with us last Sunday talking about his book 9/11 Synthetic Terror and today we have Alan Watt on the program and I know many of you out there have anticipated this show, so let's go. Enjoy the program.
Today, we have Alan Watt with us on the line and I know many of you out there are as excited about this program as I am. I've got many requests from you guys, our listeners out there to invite Alan to Red Ice Radio and I'm very glad he's here with us today. I have heard many of Alan's previous interviews and I know that he is very knowledgeable about a lot of different areas and topics and I have a bunch of points and areas that I'd like to go through today with Alan and I also want to mentioned that he has an awesome website with a bunch of material on it. Lots of his previous radio shows, audio clips and video clips. He also has a few of his DVDs out there up on the site called "Reality Check, Parts I and II" and we'll talk more about his DVDs later and I'll let Alan talk about what he's got on them and how you guys can get them and support his work and so forth. His website is cuttingthroughthematrix.com. That's one word. Cuttingthroughthematrix.com so do check that out later on or as we talk here today. So Alan, welcome to Red Ice Radio and thank you so much for spending some of your time with us today.
Alan: It's a pleasure to be on.
Henrik: Great, great. I want to begin to ask you, if you don't mind, considering that I think that you'd agree with me when I say that most people today are asleep. So I wanted to ask you when did you awake to all of this and what made you open your eyes to the obvious manipulation that is going on all around us?
Alan: I think I was born like this. I always say it's a form of autism that allows you to see things as they really are. And I grew up watching the problems in my immediate society in Scotland and I found that everybody's problem was the same problem. It was primarily financial and this is in the days before the glut of cheap goods from China and transport, and I realized even then we lived in a managed society where the bulk of the population had pretty well the same income, which was just enough to keep them alive and pay rent and most people paid rent in Britain at that time and it truly was a managed fixed economy which kept them exactly in that position.
When you're a young toddler, you can walk through different peoples' homes to visit your friends and you're ignored by the parents and you can listen to the parents argue all about the same things, which were basic necessities; and I asked well why, how come, if this was supposedly Great Britain, how come that most of the people I knew were pretty well all in the same boat essentially and where did all the money go? Then you find by studying, even early study, I went into adult libraries and I found out that only a few hundred families in London, hereditary families, really owned the power of what had been the British Empire and they still do. That was very intriguing because when you think about it, if we have been here for millions of years and supposedly, by the theory of economics, every hour of labor you produce ultimately is either spent or saved or passed on to your offspring, how come most of the people millions of generations later don't have very much and how come a few do? This of course is through a system which is bigger than just an evolved system, it's a religion and a system definitely involving having people who intermarry one another, a form of selective breeding, and there's positive proof all around us on that score.
Henrik: Yes, of course. Absolutely. And I'm intrigued by your name at the website cuttingthroughthematrix because I agree that it is a kind of matrix and I mean what does that mean to you, that word, and how do we break the spell or break free of the matrix so to speak?
Alan: It's not only breaking free and here's the problem. Most people are not leaders in any generation. Most people are followers and it's become progressively more so in the last few generations. We've gone from a taste of what was the beginning of freedom for the ordinary person – we've gone from a taste of that into a well managed society. Most people today are being managed. They suspect it. They feel it. They know it and they don't mind. That's the thing. Most people are content and they will be content until their own personal consciousness is blotted out. They do believe that these benefactors above them are truly benefactors. Even now, they never see the faces of these faceless bureaucrats or attend the meetings that they attend or even know they're agendas.
The media has done such a fantastic job in controlling their minds and doing their reasoning for them that they now expect that anything that's important will be told to them by the media. They believe that.
Henrik: I mean that's a real problem because now we're in a situation here where the state sponsored truth so to speak is broadcasted through the media, the mainstream media, and we have a bunch of people all around the world who go to the source to find out about the truth and this is like a trance – almost a mind control. I know that you've spoken about this before as a science, correct?
Alan: It is a science. It's a science which is so well understood that it's taught to the few involved, who themselves have put out documentation on it which are generally ignored. Most of the public don't read books which are kind of boring to them and Zbigniew Brzezinski who's has always been up there as a presidential advisor and who is a kind of mind specialist for psychological control of the masses. In his book "Between Two Ages," there is a chapter called "The Technetronic Era" and he talks about the coming times—which is here. Actually, it's here right now, where forms of science will be used on the public. Now 'technetronic' meant that part of it would be a form of radio-type beamed waves, which would sort of lull the people into sleep, keep them happy and contented like grazing sheep as they go through the big changes they wouldn't notice.
The other part was he said, "shortly the public will be unable to reason for themselves. They will look to the media to do their reasoning for them," and therefore anyone telling them something which is not on the media will not be believed and that's what you find now: if you tell someone something which you have proof of, and show them the documentation, they will still disregard it unless the media tells it.
Henrik: Exactly. Do you think it is something in the – I know a lot of other researchers have pointed to the fact that the television itself, the frequencies from the television actually is kind of hypnotic. Have you researched this?
Alan: They've always known that since John Logie Baird brought the TV out. What interested me was when I first saw someone, a person who was normal, who actually went up to adjust the television screen because in those days in the '50's and '60's and '70's, sometimes you'd get the rollover with the lines going across and the horizontal hold, and he went to adjust it and he stopped dead in front of it and then he had an epileptic seizure, even though he had never had any epilepsy in his life before. And it was found that the brains – the actual frequencies of the rollovers corresponded exactly with his conscious brainwave. In some people it was an overt action, they'd actually show what happened to them; but most people were simply being hypnotized by it and when you're hypnotized you can be very suggestible and many ideas are put straight into your subconscious that bypasses the censor part of your brain and you have no say in it at all, in fact, it goes right into your subconscious, and that opinion is now your opinion. It's a straight downloading type technique. Now that they've digitalized it, I think they've gone a step further. It's more precise now.
Henrik: You're talking about the high definition TVs and so forth?
Alan: Yes.
Henrik: So do you think they'll be able to refine the frequencies now and basically even more we will be deeper into the matrix so to speak after this has been implemented?
Alan: What's interesting too is that when they brought out the different Pac-Man and all these war type games to train a generation to be soldiers and that's why they gave them all the war games for Play Station and all this kind of stuff. These things were used for training the military years ago, so that was deliberate. They wanted a generation 20 years down the road that would not react when they had to see a person and just shoot them. That was a form of getting over that natural inability to kill people. You train them from birth to do it and you don't see them as people anymore. However, it did come out a few years ago in Japan (which lead this field) when they brought up a new type of Pokemon or something that thousands of Japanese children from the first showing of this thing had seizures. One of the guys in that group of scientists did admit that that was deliberate. That was a test to see if they could actually penetrate into a certain brainwave patterns of the youth and alter their consciousness, so they know what they're doing. They're not making mistakes. They are fine-tuning this form of digital strobing to affect the mind.
Henrik: So things like HAARP and so forth, these are basically things that are not necessary. I don't claim that I know HAARP is involved in any kind of mind control or anything like that, but that is the suggestion from a few people.
Alan: It is working. In fact, HAARP about four years ago, five years ago started to broadcast a pulsation signal just before the 1200-megahertz range and it's now day and night. It's on three different areas on the shortwave radio band, it's full time and you can't mistake it because it's the most powerful signal on the shortwave. It's being beamed all across the Americas and a good part of the world, and they've already claimed officially that they can carry a secondary signal with HAARP and put ideas straight into the minds of the people without them being aware.
Henrik: I mean this obviously draws my attention to the fact that we have people who basically loses the grip sometime, go totally berserk and starts to kill a lot of people or similar things like that. I mean do you think that these kinds of technologies could be involved in these kinds of things?
Alan: It's not even a matter of thinking it. It's actually published. A good example is Dr. Nick Begich who brought out a couple of books on this type of technology. You see, there are three levels of science. We have the level of professor and professorship down for the public. That's the bottom level of science, be it medical, physics, whatever. There's a higher level which the CIA and MI6 and covert agencies use, and then there's a level above that which the ultra-elite themselves have and use. Now, Dr. Nick Begich was on television a show here, it's the Canadian version of the BBC (it's called the CBC), and Wendy Mesley was the host and he had a whole big long table full of little devices like the size of television remote controllers that you could put into your pocket and he told Wendy to stand 20-odd feet away and he pointed at the back of her head and she heard music in the center of her head; and he said to her, he says, I could have put words there, directions, words, commands, and it works in line of sight to any distance. This has to be micro-circuitry and yet, as he said towards the end of the show, "all of this equipment is obsolete. It was used by the CIA in the 1950's."
Henrik: My god. So I mean that's the voice that's in the head right there, okay?
Alan: Right there. I've often wondered how many people through the last maybe 80 years or so have been locked up in mental hospitals as schizophrenic and didn't know they were part of an experiment.
Henrik: My god and do you think that all the drugs and the serotonin type drugs and the chemicals in the food—you know we've got aspartame, MSG and all this crap—do you think that this can contribute to this fact also?
Alan: I've no doubt. In fact, one of the most interesting books I've read on this subject for a long time was written by a globalist himself, Arthur Koestler, and he wrote "The Ghost in the Machine". Now the "The Ghost in the Machine" goes back to the ancient Greek philosophers, where they were trying to define what the mind was, the independent thinking mind that makes you you, unique as an individual. The globalists reached this conclusion a long time ago that for their world peace they would have to destroy the part of the brain which gives your identity of who you are, and that we'd have peace when there's no more conflict. There'd be peace you see. Now they themselves wouldn't alter themselves because they admitted that if they did destroy this part of the brain you would no longer be able to have any self-preservation or survival instincts; but they said the public won't need that because the state will be making the decisions for them.
Now Koestler wrote for the United Nations for many years on this project of how to lobotomize chemically, electronically and by other means that little part of the brain; and they tried different chemicals which they could inject into you that would travel right to that specific part of the brain and lobotomize you. He said we have – it's ready to go. He said it's successful, we just don't know whether to put it in the food, we don't know whether to inoculate into the public, we don't know whether to put it in their water supply or just spray it from the air; and lo and behold, they're doing all of those.
Henrik: Yes, exactly. Chemtrails, right? And I've heard everybody – fluoride and aspartame, that a few researchers I think it was actually a researcher here in Sweden who had studied – I can't remember her name right now, but has studied aspartame. I know that fluoride has this elementary too and it is that it becomes more difficult for people to draw connections between different areas when they have this chemical in their body basically.
Alan: Absolutely. In fact, we know that Germany used it pre-Natzi Germany; just before the war began they were introducing it into the water supply of the peoples and into the countries they took over for that very purpose: to make the people more complacent. That's one of the main effects of fluoride. What's interesting in North America, we found out here that – see, all the big famous players and names that come on down through history over and over and over again are involved in this. The Bronfman's who owned the big whiskey business during the depression, who were the real mafia at the time and did all the smuggling, the Bronfman's also owned Al-Can, which was the biggest aluminum company in North America; and the byproduct of the aluminum industry is aluminum oxide, which basically is what fluoride is taken from. They have known for over 100 years that aluminum oxide causes Alzheimer's. They've known this. They have definitely known it, because when they dissect or autopsy the brain they find heavy, heavy doses of this in the brain, so it is no mystery at all.
Then we find Donald Rumsfeld, the CBC did a documentary on him, and back in the 1970's he was giving the chemical agencies for gas and warfare to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the United States, and here's the same guy yapping on about "weapons of mass destruction." He's the same man that was at the head of the company that produces aspartame--
Henrik: Searle, right?
Alan: He was director of that company and here he is, single-handedly, he put the bill in to get it through to accept aspartame in America. The man is basically a drug pusher you know. Aspartame: it's an interesting name as well. "Asp" is the serpent from Egypt.
Henrik: Oh really, and do you know if aspartame is like a combination of different chemicals suggested in the name also? Do you know that?
Alan: I wouldn't be surprised if there's deeper meanings to it. It's like the RU 486 drug for instant abortion. "Are you for sex?" That's what it's saying. They love to play these games.
Henrik: I mean what's that about? Because that's an interesting area because I'm intrigued by this also, how words are being used and so forth. I've read a lot of different articles and I have them on the Red-Ice website regarding the fact that things like words and terms can obviously affect first of all your thoughts, but that your thoughts actually affects even your DNA down to even that level. I mean is this something that you have come up to also?
Alan: There's a part of that. Mainly though, if you take the vibrations – not the type that the New Age are trying to practice. If you take a certain frequency of vibrations and you amplify that, you fine tune it, and move the frequency up different octaves until it's almost that you don't hear it audibly but it actually will vibrate the bones in the head. These work on people and these were known to work in the days of Pythagoras; even the musical scale came from Pythagoras and the word 'tone' came from Pythagoras as well. These are sciences which were known in ancient times and of course the standard religions would often use particular tones and frequencies and chants as a form of hypnosis, putting the followers into a suggestible state, and it's worked very well up to the present time.
Henrik: Yes, that's interesting. Also, earlier you mentioned as a front I guess or whatever it might be, the philosophy that we're going to enter an age of peace or we have to manipulate mankind into being peaceful basically and I've heard this termed as "The Age of Reason" and so forth, with a freemasonic connotation there I guess. Is this something that you've come up against also?
Alan: Absolutely. We're living through a religion actually that no one talks about. They talk about the symptoms. What they don't realize is there is a religion behind all of this, a very old religion. Even the word 'reason,' if you break it down, you have 'Rea'. Now in Aramaic and Hebrew, Rea was the wife of Ra – that's what they called her, rather than Isis. They called her Rea. It's a combination of 'Re,' which is also another way of spelling Ra, and 'Ah,' the one. Reason is also a religion, their religion.
Henrik: And I've actually heard religion as the legion of Rea, Rea-legion. So I mean it's all in there. And this kind of a – because then we talk about people who also have been instrumental in creating the languages and so forth. Is that correct?
Alan: Definitely.
Henrik: Like English, what is it? It's like a 13th, 14th Century language or something.
Alan: It isn't even that. It's even later because it was in the times of Francis Bacon who gets a tremendous acclaim from the high Masonic groups. It's part of a team who really created the English language as we know it and he said in one of his writings, "we are creating the international language of the future." He wrote that back in the 1500's.
Henrik: Amazing.
Alan: Then Shakespeare (who many of the high masons claim is one and the same person as Bacon), he came out with 160,000 words in his plays. That was how they got it out. They gave it through a new Bible, the King James Bible, and through the plays of Shakespeare and a whole new language was really born; because the Old English you can find in the writings if you can get the original writings of Chaucer and other 11th Century writers, it really was old Saxon German.
Henrik: Shakespeare's plays are all over in many different theatres all over the world still basically. That's like a communication to me that this is important, we've got to focus on this.
Alan: Here's a key as well. Today, when you get a really good movie that is high drama coupled with historical periods with the mythologies of ancient times, and Shakespeare put out a lot of ancient mythology into his writings and he knew exactly what would captivate the female psychology and the male psychology. Today, you need teams of producers and writers to specialize in each area. Well I don't believe this was one man. Shakespeare was not one man. That could not be done. Simply in reading his understanding of the Greek mysteries and the Greek legends and mythology, just that alone is a specialty; so there were teams involved here.
Henrik: I see because this – I can't remember all of it now, but it rings a bell that this has something to do with Pallas Athena because she was the "spear shaker." Have you heard about this?
Alan: I know Pallas Athena and there are even deeper meanings to Pallas Athena. You'll see the same thing on the Old British coins before it went decimalized in the 1960's. The old British pennies had Diana with her helmet on, and her spear and her shield, seated, on the backs of the pennies. You have to ask yourself why is that on a British/English penny, this ancient Greek or Athenian symbol; and it's all part of a religion we find out as we dig into it. Behind the shield is a serpent because Diana was always accompanies by a serpent.
Henrik: Interesting.
Alan: You're dealing with a religion here and people who are taught the religion. If you go back into ancient times and you see how empires were created and built up, you would find always a major capital city where one little group ran the money system of that city or even that city-state. The same people who ran the money were involved in the drug industry even from the earliest times for medicine. They also ran the judicial system, the legal system. They also ran the ILLEGAL SYSTEM of RUNNING DRUGS down through time and you had the biggest amount of poverty always existing among the biggest amount of wealth, co-existing side by side, and that's what we have today. You can follow them all down through history as to where they set up their major camps.
Henrik: So, Alan, is freemasonry the common denominator here?
Alan: Yes. If you belong to a religion that goes into countries, brings its own religion in, controls the wealth and gets the sole power to distribute money and handle money and the drug industry, the pharmaceutical industry, sure, you need more people to help implement your system – a form of middle class. We know that the Rosicrucians came into Britain and worked very hard in the sciences to bring forth the industrial revolution; and that's a key word too, revolution, because that's one of their terms. They create revolutions. Most are bloodless. Some are bloody and even during the 20th Century we had the sexual revolution and all of this kind of thing. These were primarily bloodless but they totally altered society.
Henrik: Yes, of course and then we have the word again because revolution is just like revolving or going one circle so to speak.
Alan: They have us literally going in circles.
Henrik: Yes, exactly. Revolution after revolution but nothing happens.
Alan: Not for us.
Henrik: Exactly. Things happen of course.
Alan: We always adapt. As Plato said, man is the most adaptable creature on the planet and therefore we can give him his culture and we can change his culture so easily, that the generation involved who have a new set of rights and wrongs will be the last to understand or even see it; and that's happened over and over.
Henrik: You know I wanted to ask you because you brought up Francis Bacon earlier. He wrote one of his books that his name was on was "The New Atlantis," and primarily he spoke about America as the New Atlantis and that it was going to be set up as the New Atlantis and so forth. I mean this is also something that is interesting because the theme here is also kind of a revolution or that things are just revolving around, because the theme here seems to be that America has been set up as this super power but now it is being brought down – the symbolic I guess destruction of America or Atlantis. Do you agree with that?
Alan: Judging from history, when the empire builders go in they'll build up a country to be the leader for a certain period to push the changes on everyone else, every other country, and then the money is withdrawn and they go down and they sink into what they've left behind. The United States was definitely created to bring in a global system. It's on all their seals. It's on everything. The call it "The Enterprise." That's why they have the starship "The Enterprise" on the Star Trek series. They even say that "E Pluribus Unum" (out of many, one). Pluribus Unum, many and one, also is monopoly and the United States has been the champion of monopolization of industries across the planet. They kick out – they destroy any competition and monopolize everything into one. That's one of their MO's [Modus Operandi].
Henrik: Yes and that's like a more communistic approach to things I guess than a capitalistic?
Alan: It's a different type altogether, really, because it seems to be a capitalistic approach to using this particular communistic technique, but really when you realize that at the top there is no left nor right. There's only "the one" as they call it. We find from the writings of the founding fathers, that nobody reads anymore, that the writings that they wrote themselves, say, by Jefferson, he said the same thing as Ben Franklin. Jefferson said that out of this federation of the United States of America will become the nucleus to a federation of the world; and that's basically what their role has always been.
Henrik: So there is a definite plan here so to speak to guide us towards the goal of a one world order, right?
Alan: It's all through the writings. President Wilson's writings. Colonel Mandel House who really put up the banking system and he was the boss of Wilson really. They knew exactly what they were going for. A monopolization of not just the world as such but the whole system – the mineral rights for the entire world, the water rights for the world, all energy resources for the world – would go into the same hands and this would be a new form of dictatorship, which they prefer to say is benevolent. They're benevolent dictators.
Henrik: If they were to succeed with this – I mean how do you think that the world actually would look? I mean would it be as severe kind of fascist police state or you know kind of?
Alan: In its death throes of the old going into the new, you would have that. They are on a roll and have had world meetings about this, science meetings, about chipping the brains of people ultimately. You've probably seen the write-ups by Professor Warwick in England who's taken a chip in his brain; he's been at the front to push this. At Loyola University in Louisiana they had a world science meeting paid for by the United States Department of Commerce and the professor from Japan said, "we're ready to implant this in everyone on the planet except for the elite. They must retain their survival capabilities." He said, "when this is put into the people there shall be no more individuality as we know it. That it will be impossible for a person to even try to think of themselves as an individual." He said, "this will be pushed through cartoons, through novels, through movies." Now he didn't say we'd like it to be pushed. He says, "this will be pushed." At this science meeting they didn't discuss politics once because the boys at that level don't work for politicians. They work for the real world government. That's another clue.
Henrik: Yes. So the goal is to--
Alan: It's ready to go. Regional computers will literally direct all of the chips that are out there and they claim they already have the regional computers set up.
Henrik: Oh my god. So the goal here is to basically chip people and then the technological aspects of that will be that they don't have to control people to that degree by force or by violence because people will be--
Alan: They won't even need entertainment, sports and all the rest of it. They'll be robots really, and even that isn't the end of it. It's the Never Ending Story. That's the occult meaning behind the movie, The Never Ending Story. Man is the material. They are the high builders. They can shape us and keep reshaping us as according to their needs. They've talked about literally growing us for specialist purposes. They said they could even make a man with gills who could go under water as a diver and repair oil rigs and stuff like that. They have the capabilities to genetically do it today.
Henrik: So they want this technology to do all these, well, basically amazing things, I guess, scary but amazing still. But the idea is still to maintain things in this state as they are basically?
Alan: Yes. As we go through this and then they'll gradually bring down the population; they're actually doing it. That's the bad news that they have been doing that already with all the crippling diseases that have emerged since about 1950 and it's the direct result of inoculations and that was planned that way, but they don't need all the people on the world. Modern economics will tell you that we are here to serve the economic system, not the system is there to serve us, and they do not want inefficiency in this brand new system that's coming up. They want total efficiency.
Henrik: So I mean as things are now, I guess China is a really good example maybe of what they're trying to achieve because that has a strange mix between being on the surface a communistic country but it is highly capitalistic so to speak.
Alan: It's really an oligarchy in China and China has been put up by the United Nations as the model state for the world that we have to emulate, and they have the one child per family policy and they do enforce it rigorously and they use more psychology on their public in their culture creation to create social approval and disapproval. It's been done more intensely there so that even neighbors will turn you in if your wife is pregnant again, because they say well you're anti-social because you're going to take more food for a selfish purpose.
Henrik: I saw a clip recently regarding – I don't know if you've heard about this but this was about CCTV, cameras that had speakers on them. You seen this?
Alan: Yes.
Henrik: Who could talk back to you basically and one of the directors there – I can't remember his name but he said that the main problem and the reason for them putting up this system with the speaking cameras so to speak was because the main problem is not terrorism. It is anti-social behavior and people who basically misbehave on the streets, so they can shout at you so you can fall into line.
Alan: That's right and you know they always show us in advance from Hollywood many years before what they're going to do, and it's not because they have tremendous writers in Hollywood. It's because many of those in Hollywood have brothers working in these think tanks that are planning the future. And the "Demolition Man" with Stallone had all of that in there, with the machines talking to you handing you fines automatically if you swore or whatever in public. That is the plan. It's behavior modification on a grand scale.
Henrik: Anti-social behavior. It's so – I cringe when I hear the word.
Alan: Well, the thing is, the word "interdependence" is a strange word. It was first used again around the time of John Dee who was an advisor at the court of Queen Elizabeth the 1st and John Dee came up with this term – he was a Rosicrucian as well and he came up with the term of "the Brytish Empire". It hadn't even been used before and he explained to the Queen what the empire would be and how it would work. It would be a form of free trade, which would be a monopoly trade where it would exclude those who are not passed as members by the ones who would run it at the top; so it wasn't going to be free for everyone. However, it would also bring other countries to their knees to join it by excluding trade with them. Now to join the union, this British Empire, you would have to acquiesce to all their rules, regulations and the economic system to adapt to.
Now all your laws run around your economic system, so if you adapted to that system you could become part of the British Empire; and so they knew then where they were going with all of this – this system. Interdependence is a word he used and we have to really figure out what they mean by "interdependent," because on the one hand "to inter" means to bury. It's like "international"—inter—is to bury the nation.
Henrik: Oh okay, I see.
Alan: You see? Now interdependence is to bury dependence – really it's to bury independence. The opposition to interdependence is self-reliance, on an individual scale. Now when Margaret Thatcher was using this term "interdependence" and George Bush, Sr. and different ones, it sounds like a pleasant fuzzy word so we just don't think about it, but it will come right down to the same way that China is in. Where if you eventually have your own water, if you have your own little garden to feed yourself, you will be anti-social. That's what it means. You must be dependent on this system for all your needs of survival. That's what interdependence really means.
Henrik: So of course this connection with as you said earlier with the nations, if they are able to set up China as this strong economic force now and basically everyone has to fall into that same model to be able to compete with China, I guess. And this connects with the WTO and even the UN also of course?
Alan: Yet I said years ago, I was telling people before the European Union even occurred, I said they're going to merge us all. They're doing it now and they kept using terms like, "well the Prime Minister is off to meet other Prime Ministers to create closer ties." That's how they always couched it, you see. They use specific terminology which they never explain to the public. Closer ties are legal ties and they're doing the same with the Americas at the moment. They've actually done it. They signed the first part of the exoteric, the open agreement, back in March of 2005 and by 2010 the Americas have to be amalgamated with a new governing parliament. Karl Marx wrote about it in the 1800's, the United Europe, the United Pacific Rim and the United Americas and he wasn't using a crystal ball.
Henrik: He knew what was going on there.
Alan: He knew it because he was paid by the big bankers to write his "Communist Manifesto".
Henrik: Do you know if there is any place in the manifesto that suggests that Mexico or the population of Mexico should basically invade the U.S.?
Alan: Well, he knew the same as Jacques Attali knew, that there would be great upheavals that haven't been seen since the Goths and Visigoths came into Rome. In Rome's last days there'd be upheavals with mass populations on the move; and sure enough, he was well aware that that could be made to happen and the reason he was sure of it was because these boys have archives to go to see for history – real history. We get public libraries. Archives are where the formulas of how to motivate populations, how to move them, how to make them think and do things, that's where all these formulas are kept. These are ancient sciences of manipulation, which were well understood in the days of Egypt. These guys didn't have crystal balls. They simply knew what to the ordinary person would seem impossible; they knew the formulas and how to make it happen.
Henrik: Yes, and the easiest way to make it happen also I guess then is to implant it as a philosophy or political movement to actually have people devoted to it.
Alan: What we've found as well, back in the '50's there was the Reece Commission that was set up in the United States to look into the big foundations, like the Carnegie, the Ford and the Rockefeller Foundation, to see what they were really using all of these multi-million dollar funds for. Norman Dodd was sent from the Senate to investigate and at the Ford Foundation he was told by this American foundation that their job was to set up a structure so that the Soviet system could be quite quietly and happily merged with the United States system. They were working at that then. However, the same foundations, primarily the Rockefeller Foundation, are funding the migrations and the propaganda down in Mexico and beyond to get the people to move; so they're causing the influx and out of this will come the solution. It's the old story: Thesis, the antithesis and the synthesis. This is what they're after. They want the synthesis. Out of the reaction you'll get the retaliation by the citizenry and then you'll have the laws and legal systems for the solution, and that's exactly what they want because the solution must knock down the last vestiges of the American Bill of Rights.
Henrik: And the recent, what is it called, the Transatlantic Corridor, right, also connects with this I guess?
Alan: Well you know there's more going on that they never tell you about. Once in a while they do, but they won't remind you that they've told you and we forget. There's more under the ground than there is over it. About six or seven years ago in one of the British newspapers it came out that a big corporation with Rand involved (the Rand Corporation) had began a boring project to make a tunnel (just like the Transatlantic type tunnel) underneath the Bering Straits from Pigeon Lake in British Columbia, Canada, that would come up inside Russia and it was begun back then. They said it would be completed in five years and we haven't heard anymore about it and yet these boring machines that Rand Corporation has can go through all kinds of rock at five-miles-per-hour, day and night, and literally fuse the tunnel walls behind with them with the heat generated. So yes, what we're given as news is trivia.
Henrik: Yes, I see. It's something to be occupied with while the real game is going on behind the curtains I guess.
Alan: They also knew too, which is of real importance, is that during a massive change of culture and tradition to a new phase you must introduce a religion to match it and that's why as early as the 1800's, they brought out that which become the New Age religion.
Henrik: And Alan, I think we should finish up this segment and I really want to dig into the New Age movement and so forth in the next part, but in the last few minutes here, about two we've got left, please tell us how to support your work and get your DVDs and so forth and about your site.
Alan: If you look up cuttingthroughthematrix.com, you can download it as much as you want for free; and for those things which are on sale, they keep the site alive. They keep me alive and I can continue churning stuff out. I've got a lot more to tell the people and I could expand the site and possibly even get my own show on the go because we're running short of time. We are the last thinking sentient generation because the next ones will not even have the ability to think, and I'm not kidding.
Henrik: Okay, yes. So support Alan's work and head on over to cuttingthroughthematrix.com.
(Transcribed by Linda)